The Business Leadership Podcast

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Leadership Podcast with Edwin.

Paul: Hello.

I'm Paul Newton, creative producer of
the Future Narrator miniseries, and

I'm joined by Edwin Frondozo, host
of the Business Leadership Podcast.

We're recording live here at
Web Summit Vancouver 2025.

We're exploring how today's leaders
shape the future, not just through

strategy, but through story.

We believe that a strong point of
view is what shapes communities.

It builds movements and cuts through
the noise in uncertain times.

So let's dive into this conversation.

Today's guest is a true connector at the
heart of global tech and startup culture.

Casey Lau is the co-host of Web Summit,
the world renowned tech conference

series, often called the Olympics
of Tech, an entrepreneur, community

builder, and creative strategist
Casey Co-founded Asia's first

e-commerce startup action ace.com,

and help ignite startup ecosystems
through startups hk, H-K-G-D-A-O, and.

YB,

Edwin: Welcome to the Business Leadership
Podcast, Casey, how you doing today?

I'm doing fine.

Thanks for having me know this.

Appreciate it.

I'm super excited that Web
Summit Vancouver, we're

sitting here in Vancouver.

I just wanna just jump right
in and just tell me about.

your role with Web Summit Vancouver, and
perhaps maybe if you could focus on the

problem that you were trying to solve
when it comes to bringing that here when

it comes to either digital entertainment,
creative technology, Web3, or even

Casey: just the

Edwin: ecosystem.

Casey: Ecosystem.

Yeah.

Great.

Yeah, that's a great first question.

So basically I started with Web
Summit as just a co-host, right?

So I was based on Hong Kong.

And, uh, Patty Cosgrave, the CEO and
founder of Web Summit, came out to

Hong Kong and decided that would be the
destination for his Asia conference.

And it was called Rise.

Edwin: Mm-hmm.

Casey: And I met him at a dinner, which is
what web website is very famous for doing,

putting on these very, very, uh, small
dinners with very, very select people.

And I met Patty and we, we hit it off and
then he asked me, do you wanna be involved

as a co-host of, of the conference?

I said.

Sure.

I actually had never been to Web
Summit, so I don't know what it was.

Yeah.

I looked at online and I was like,
okay, it's another tech conference.

This is the number one
challenge we'll have.

It's just another tech conference
until you get here and you notice

it's not another tech conference.

Right, right.

And other tech conferences.

I have a press conference
room set up like this.

Right.

So, um, and from there I've kind
of evolved my role over time.

I still co-host all the events.

So I do it in, uh, Portugal.

I do it in Qatar, I do it in Brazil
and here in North America in Vancouver.

Um, and hopefully next year
we'll have a new Asia event.

Ooh.

Yeah.

A new, a new city, a new host city.

Um, and then at the same time, I'm
also based outta Hong Kong right

now, and I'm the, um, executive
Vice president of Asia Pacific.

And what does that mean?

It means I do a lot of work, uh,
running with the, um, startups,

investors, speakers in Asia.

I'm helping them bring them to, uh, the
other conferences as well as looking for

the whole city and working with different
governments and different ecosystems on

how to bring a web summit to that city.

Edwin: Amen.

Yeah.

Casey: And this, and he's
not a busy guy, Casey.

Yeah, exactly.

That's a lot's, a lot of
travel around, but it's a.

Very exciting.

Right?

Yeah.

So I mean, living in Asia has
been a very exciting time.

Yeah.

Um, I know I left Vancouver
over 20 years ago.

Um, and I've been in Hong Kong
and I've been able to look at

Japan, Korea, Singapore, China.

It's just fantastic, uh, time there.

So, um, well, I love Vancouver and I, I
love coming back for this event and my,

I do, um, see my future in Asia for sure.

Edwin: Yeah, for sure.

do you still have family here?

Casey,

Casey: Yeah.

So I mean, It's a nice
homecoming for sure.

It's the best city to come back
to after the hustle and bustle

of like a Shanghai or a Tokyo.

Come back here and it's really
relaxing but no, we're here now

and we're gonna talk about it.

There's a lot of excitement in Vancouver.

I think a lot of new businesses are
starting here, so Vancouver's shaking.

itself up and getting more and
more active on the global stage.

Edwin: Vancouver is a special
place, not only personally

for you, um, when it comes to.

The ecosystem and.

Given your experience when it comes
from your own startup, what you're doing

out in Asia, and what you're bringing
now to Vancouver, what now within your

experience, your unique point of view
will help you really merge all of these

worlds together and, and really make.

Whatever goal or success
that you were hoping

Casey: Okay, so I guess I
have a little bit more skin in

the game of Vancouver, right?

Mm-hmm.

My hometown, you know, I've
been out for more than 20 years.

I come back every summer and I
always wanted to get more involved

in the ecosystem, but didn't
see anything really happening.

Yeah, right.

during the pandemic, it seemed to really.

Start to energize a lot of the startups
got a lot of funding and Vancouver Tech

Journal was a great catalyst for letting
people know what was happening here.

Yeah.

Um, that's why I've got William Johnson,
the founder to come and be my co-host of

this event just because of the way he's
so integrated into the, ecosystem here.

right.

And I love ecosystem builders.

I feel like people build ecosystem, go
above and beyond, just a nine to five.

They're like a passion.

I see him in the lounge here
talking to all the startups

in the same color t-shirts.

I'm like, this guy is Working all the
angles here, so it's great to see.

But for me, just making sure that
Vancouver has an opportunity to now be

part of the global network of Web Summit.

Right.

So now Vancouver is not just, it's
like Wakanda, you know, in the movie

Wakanda like this closed place.

I love that.

And then it opened up and everybody
came in and then they started helping

the Avengers and things like that.

That's what I feel's gonna happen now.

So Vancouver will now be part of
Europe through Portugal, be part

of the Middle East through Qatar.

And then we'll talk about Asia through
that next event as well as Latin America.

Right?

Yeah.

So there's a lot more things.

So startups in Vancouver can start to
really look global, not just to Toronto.

Or not just to Calgary or whatever.

Or not even just to San Francisco.

Yeah.

They're looking globally now.

And that would be the biggest thing.

'cause another big thing is those
countries I mentioned before,

they're very local, countries.

So like there's enough people to.

Satisfied their own, uh, world.

So like as, for instance, in Portugal,
there's a lot of Portuguese in

Portugal and Lisbon, but in Vancouver,
when I tell people there's gonna

be a hundred countries coming to
Vancouver, and I look around the rooms

there's like a hundred different, uh,
countries already in the room, right?

Yeah.

So it's so multicultural here that people
are coming here and I wanna make sure that

they're all also able to, extend out to
places maybe they haven't gone to before.

And vice versa.

Edwin: Right.

Yeah.

And you know what's interesting when
it comes to these tech conferences

and you know, I am based in Toronto.

I'm born and raised in Toronto, and
similar in the sense of looking around

the room in these ecosystem builders.

And, one thing I just want to
recognize for the ecosystem

builders, that is a passion.

Yeah.

That's work of passion.

And those people are very
important because they empower.

What's happening, right.

They make connections.

And so when I look at what you're saying
and what you're bringing in the ocon,

like, it just shivers and it allows to
really, um, we had the opportunity to

sit down with Jack Newton from Cleo.

It's just like to showcase Jack is
known, but now it's just like, oh

wait, he's not an American company.

Yeah, he's actually from Vancouver.

Vancouver, exactly.

And he's doing big things and
he's not the only one here.

He's not the only one.

Exactly.

so it's really interesting.

So when it comes to.

What's happening, uh, you're, you're
allowing Vancouver, empowering

Vancouver, the startups on to
really connect all around the

world, like, like what's the vision?

That you're hoping for and the impact
that, you know, bringing Web Summit

here for them and for the region really.

Casey: Yeah.

Yeah.

I think, okay.

this is a great question.

This is the main question that everybody's
asking, especially people in Canada.

Why is it in Vancouver?

What are you expecting out of it?

Yeah.

I feel like Vancouver has a
lot of amazing things happening

here that nobody knows about.

Vancouver Tech Journal can
only reach so far, right?

Mm-hmm.

it's not a BBC, it's not A-C-N-B-C.

It's not a thing like that.

There's no real, and as you know from
being in Toronto, or I don't know

if you do know this, but Toronto is
like the center of Canada, right?

So like Vancouver, Calgary, everybody
else doesn't get a lot of play

because of that center, right?

So a lot of people think, well,
if I'm gonna do it, I gotta go to.

Toronto.

Yeah.

Have no choice.

And then Toronto gets this giant thing.

So just making the spotlight, shine on
Vancouver and see what's happening here.

But Canada in general is
also like this too, right.

When we did in Toronto, nobody
knew Shopify was from Toronto.

Oh, exactly.

Until you get there and you're like,
oh, the Shopify logos are on these

buildings, they must be from here.

Right?

Yeah.

And every other person
I met worked at Shopify.

Yeah, right.

But Vancouver has a massive
video game industry.

I went to Industrial Lights magic
tour on Monday of this week.

They are the company that George
Lucas created to make the special

effects for Star Wars 50 years ago.

It's from San Francisco.

Right.

that's where he is built.

Come Lucas film and all that
stuff happens, but ILM has, grown

so big, they've now opened an
office in Vancouver 12 years ago.

Mm-hmm.

Okay.

So I didn't even know it was here either
until I went to their office and they

have a thousand people in their company.

Mm-hmm.

In the office.

Not remote, they're in the office.

That's crazy.

And Nobody knows this.

Yeah.

And it's the biggest
ILM office in the world.

Okay.

I'm picking this one because I'm a
big Star Wars fan, a big, Disney.

And so because they purchased from
Disney, they do all the special

effects for, Marvel and Star Wars.

They're working on.

They worked on the Thunder Balls
that just came out recently.

They're working on Superman,
not even non Disney movies.

So they do a lot of special effects here.

And we went into their, they
have a room just like this

size, but it's like a movie.

Theater just to watch the dailies and the
special effects in the shot so they can,

like, make notes and stuff like that.

But they showed us this amazing like five
minute, sizzle reel of the last 50 years

of all the movies and every movie, you
know, Jurassic Bark, you know, all the

Star Wars, all the Spider-Man movies.

All of them are done in here.

They're done here.

As well as Microsoft is here.

Also, the other big animation
company is here is, Sony Image work.

Mm-hmm.

So all the Spider Verse movies are made
here and they're made over on Robson

Street, which is the main shopping street
'cause that's where their office is.

So there's a lot of this
stuff happening here.

Plus, like you mentioned, Cleo, there's
trulio, there's, uh, layer zero.

There's all these, uh, well, there's a
lot of O'S and Lu, these companies, right?

The Dapper Labs are gonna
be speaking tomorrow, right?

These are all billion dollar
companies all outta Vancouver.

And that's the thing, right?

If you don't come here, you don't know.

Right.

Just like gonna Toronto.

You don't know.

So I feel like just having that
spotlight and then the other half of

the equation is, I'm sure you've been
over to the speaker's lounge, right?

That beautiful, beautiful backdrop.

of, downtown Vancouver
or the North Vancouver.

And, uh, people come in who've
never been here before and

they're like, I didn't know this.

I didn't know Vancouver looks like this.

You see it on TV every day, right?

You can actually watch Deadpool and
mean he's driving around downtown.

But you don't know it's that because
they don't say it's Vancouver.

It's some other mystical,
magical American city.

Right?

But it has a lot of offer here and
I hope that, uh, when people come

in, they see that there's much
more here to offer than they knew.

And that's an, you know, because America,
you know, mostly Americans are like that.

They're like, well America,
we think it's in America.

Yeah.

But whenever you watch a movie, right.

I dunno if you guys stay at the, I always
stay at the end for the Marvel movies.

Yeah.

At the end there's always
something British Columbia.

Yeah.

Canada Fa I'm like, what
is this made in Canada?

Because it looks like
it's an American film.

Yeah.

But it's all, some part of it is
done, done here in, in the province.

Yeah.

It's very exciting.

So that's something I want everybody to
see and I think it's very exciting and

it'll bring a lot more interest here
than, than you've ever seen before.

Edwin: What you mentioned is a challenge
not only for Vancouver, also for

Toronto, I find as well, and this is
like, it could be a Canadian problem.

It's a Canadian problem.

We're too nice, we're too humble.

Mm-hmm.

To beat our own drums.

Exactly right.

You know, but having web summit.

Collision before in Toronto
really, spur up the ecosystem.

But when collision moved and
changed to Web Summit Vancouver,

I was happy it went to Vancouver.

Versus losing it to another country.

exactly.

I'm glad you said that because,
I mean, I'm from Toronto.

I was at Collision.

I know Sunil well, it's amazing.

And the last time I was here I ran the
half marathon and just like you said.

I wouldn't know how beautiful Vancouver
is unless I was running the streets.

Seeing here, I just stayed
down the street in Coal Harbor.

Nice.

So it's great.

One thing I want to bring up, you know,
in terms of like, you know, you are a

co-host now of this Vancouver, like, what
do you think makes you special in terms of

being that person, the face of alongside
Patty, alongside Webs and also relearning.

The beauty of Vancouver
and how innovative it is.

Casey: That's a great,
yeah, that's a great point.

Yeah.

I don't know.

I'm not, I'm nothing
special on the whole thing.

I just, um, that first rise in
Hong Kong, um, the Patty and I,

he showed me the show, the floor.

We walked the show floor the night before
we opened, and I was just blown away.

I've never seen anything like this.

I put on conferences, uh, but they
were very tiny, like 300 people.

people.

I was already, wow.

There's 500 people coming
to these that exist.

That was big.

That was huge.

And what's next?

And that's it.

It can't get any bigger than this.

And I think that first rise was probably
around 10,000 people, that first one.

Right.

and it's the first kind of like
super major conference, international

conference for tech startups that came.

To Hong Kong, right?

And, um, yeah, I was just
so, so shocked by it.

And then I went to the Dublin one,
the original one that later that year,

and I was, that's even bigger, right?

And I was like, okay, this guy has
created something really special.

The team has really put
together something special.

They're amazing and amazing.

And, um, that's why when I go out
and hype up the event, I know when I

get here and I didn't see any of this
before it got built until the setup.

Because the production team does their own
thing and I know it's gonna be amazing.

I know it's gonna be incredible and it
always is like everybody is so on their

game that I feel very, very privileged to
be part of this team and to be promoting

it and talk to people about it because
a lot of people will say, yeah, this

is great, they know if they hear web
something, they know what it is, right?

But if they haven't heard web
something, they don't know what it is.

That I'm able to say you should come
and check it out, and nobody's ever.

Really that disappointed.

They're like, wow, this is crazy.

Right?

Paul: It's amazing.

Casey: So yeah, that's basically it.

But why am I special in, I don't know.

I just, I like to rally people together.

I feel like William Johnson, you
know, I see a kindred spirit there.

Like, you know, we go above and
beyond because we're interested in it.

Mm-hmm.

It's not a nine to five job.

It's not that we're
interested in helping people.

We're interested in helping
these young people's ideas.

You know, I was a founder as well.

I've went through the whole thing.

I've raised money, I sold the
company, things like that.

But hearing and seeing the new
people coming up with new ideas.

You know, I was doing e-commerce.

This is like when Amazon, we
were selling books and you know,

it's nothing, nothing that fancy.

It's not been on the phone yet.

Right?

Yeah, so seeing like the phone sales
and stuff like that, like Shopify,

all that stuff, YouTube build out,
these are things that we needed

when we were building back then.

But seeing it now, it's just fantastic.

So now it's ai.

It's quantum, it's all these crazy things.

So just being part of that
conversation, I think it's fantastic.

Paul: cool.

and what is it about you
that just makes you care of?

Like Keon bringing this to new cities?

Yeah.

And, bring it to more people.

Casey: Yeah.

That's a weird guy.

I dunno about what the
reason is behind that.

I just think that the event is so great.

Yeah.

That I feel like the economic impact
in the city is also a big deal.

Mm-hmm.

you know, then the cities I'm looking
at in Asia now, I see greatness.

But it's like Vancouver.

They've got all these great natural
resources, they've got great people.

They just don't know how to take it
to the next level because they're so

inside themselves, just like Canada.

So it is a Canadian problem, but it's
a problem everywhere outside of the us

The US when you come into us, I think
they train you how to be very, open and

very loud about what you're doing right?

And very great.

Yeah.

It's about being great.

Everybody has to up one
the next person, right?

No matter what country you're
from, you immigrate to us.

You have to beat the next guy.

If they both came from, I don't
know, Ukraine, then the one guy

that upped the other Ukrainian.

Right.

Even though they're in America
and they go back and hopefully

they teach that kind of stuff.

But even though you met those
founders here, none of them

are like that here though.

The Vancouver founders are not that
boisterous or They're so down to earth.

They're so nice.

And I was thinking, Yeah, you
don't have to be like that.

good stuff will come to these
people who are doing great things.

And so look at this and then what
somebody is here because they, we found

all these great founders who are so
open to sharing of why it makes great.

'cause they told us a lot of what
happened here, what they're doing, how the

ecosystems is great, what it's missing,
what it needs or what it already has.

And so we're able to.

Amplify that.

Paul: yeah.

And so whether you're amplifying a
founder or like an entire region or

a city, I mean that there's, there's
something really special about doing that.

And, uh, again, I just, you know,
why do you, why do you excel there?

What, uh, what really helps you?

Casey: I don't know.

I feel like I have a
good product behind me.

Yeah.

That's one of the main things I think
that I'm very confident about that.

And I can see in different ecosystems
like what is missing, like what

they're having struggles with.

And if they are open enough to
understand that yes, they need

help from something like this,
then it's easier to work together.

Right.

Uh, that's all I can think about, right?

Yeah.

In terms of that.

But I always can see like it's either
corporations that wanna be involved

or just the startups in general.

There's always something around that.

It works together to
make these things happen.

Yeah.

Paul: Well, I mean, clearly
you're, uh, you're doing something

that, that's working and, uh,
you have a unique perspective.

It's just, uh, something
we wanna really nail on.

But here, I'll pass it back down.

Edwin: Yeah.

Um, the last thing I wanna talk about
when it comes to web sum in the region,

and really, I wish people heard it first,
what's happening in Asia, but you know.

when you understand and, and
you know, you're backed by this

amazing enabler called Web Summit.

Yeah.

And it could bring a massive
economic development Into the region.

Look what happened to Lisbon.

Look what happened to Toronto.

It's coming here to Vancouver What
do you see, and maybe the past

events you could really see it,
but like what are you excited for

really when it comes to Vancouver?

Casey: For Vancouver

Edwin: specifically?

Casey: No, really honestly,
it's just gonna be this momentum

of new companies coming out.

Like, okay, so tonight we're doing
the semi-final pitches competition.

So that's 10 startups that have
come down from a hundred that

pitched yesterday and this morning.

So will one of those tomorrow win it?

You know, or these 10 will
shrink down to three and one of

them becomes a winner of that.

Will one of these be from Vancouver?

And then will we see them next year?

Will they have raised a lot more money?

Will they be bigger?

Will they hiring more
people expanding offices?

Mm-hmm.

how would Web Summit have
contributed to that journey for them?

I think that's very exciting to see.

That's the kind of things that.

We track and also we track
internally, we track all the

startups that've exhibited here.

So there's 1100 startups here.

We track them to see if
they've met anybody here.

They help them raise money or
met any partners from here.

They help them give them clients and
give them revenue, things like that.

So it's a whole journey that we are part
of, of these startups that are going on.

That's the main point, right?

The startups is the main.

Anything else you see?

It's just.

Extra sizzle and dazzle.

Right.

But the startups and how they're
going up is the most important part.

Edwin: Yeah.

I mean, it, it's so like, just hearing
you talk about this, Casey, it's just, uh,

not only understanding that you were an
entrepreneur, you're an ecosystem builder.

Now you're like you mentioned,
I could look into ecosystems.

I could see what's missing.

Whether web seminar came,
you could understand.

What might be the solution to elevate it.

Right.

And it could be incremental.

Yeah, exactly.

but you also know, like there
could be a massive shift.

And choosing like this must
be a difficult thing if you're

part of the steering committee.

like when you're thinking about
and looking, now you're doing

this for Asia, aside from.

and I'm not sure, and you could tell us
right or wrong, were you part of it to

help choose Vancouver or, and now are you
helping, like what do you and the team

look for when you decide where to go?

Casey: Vancouver

Edwin: specifically.

Casey: Yeah.

Like you said, I'm glad
we kept it in Canada.

Yes.

So the federal government that
was a partner with us in collision

said we'd like to keep it here.

Mm-hmm.

But they don't know where or how to do it.

So next thing is.

Okay.

Who would be your next best place?

Luckily, I'm from Canada.

When we announced collision in Toronto,
I was like, why is it in Toronto?

Right?

Yeah.

but then I would say, yeah, if I went
to, I hadn't been to Toronto recently.

At that point, so I don't
know how big it was.

And so it's a massive city and
it's definitely the thriving

pulse of tech in Canada.

Mm-hmm.

A hundred percent.

I'm not gonna argue that.

But then as the last, next four or
five years came through, I think

Vancouver started to catch up.

yeah.

Right.

Just as I see Calgary catching up, I
was just recently there and I was like,

there's a lot of stuff going on there
and I was surprised at that as well.

So I think Canada as a whole is starting
to compete against each other, right?

Which is great.

Uh, if there's money in those
provinces, there's gonna be a

attraction to go there and raise it.

Or get access to it and the
resources that are there.

Right.

So for Vancouver, of course,
since I'm from Vancouver, I

have more connections here.

So I was able to, um, kind of push it.

Yeah.

Here and then, uh, hopefully,
but it doesn't matter, right?

It doesn't matter if
I push it or whatever.

It still has to be the province
and the city has to get behind it.

Mm.

And so we did find champions
here that were also on it.

And that's another thing
you never know, right?

It could have gone to Montreal, it could
have gone to somewhere else, but it

happened to be that the minister of, uh,
of Jedi, the jobs economic, uh mm-hmm.

Innovation, she was a founder.

She started a game.

Brenda Bailey, she started a game studio.

So she's a founder, so she knew
what the tech side was, so she

fought for it and she had a budget.

And then of course, the Mayor of
Vancouver, Ken Sim also an entrepreneur.

Is an entrepreneur.

Yeah.

So they understand this.

I mean, you cannot do this without
people who are on the same page.

And Understand the challenges.

The challenges, yeah.

And also understand how much.

Can bring to the city.

Mm.

So that's why everything
just kind of fell into line.

And then the last piece was Patty had, he
came here one year ago and saw, and then

we had a beautiful day like today, and he
got on the sea planes and all that stuff,

and he's like, we're gonna do it here.

So, oh yeah.

I love that.

Yeah.

So it's all the pieces, right?

It's not just one piece.

No matter how great the ecosystem
is, there's tons of ecosystems.

We get tons of bids.

Yeah.

For people to come and want to
web something in their city.

But it, you know, you need
every, all the pieces.

Yeah.

You don't just need hotels, you
need international airport, you

need all these logistics as well.

So there's a lot of things to
look at it besides just that.

So Vancouver, you know,
has the whole piece.

Right.

And so we're able to move it

Edwin: forward like that.

Yeah.

And that's amazing.

So, so thank you.

Really grateful for that.

Um, I'd love it if you could
share any final thoughts, advice,

recommendations in Casey, because
given the fact that not only you're an

entrepreneur, you are, we're building.

You know, we're, we're connecting.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You know, innovation entrepreneurs
with investors and, and

just ecosystem business.

Like, what comes to mind when
it comes to a final thought

that you'd like to share too?

You know, the founder CEOs or even
business leaders who are listening today?

Casey: I think, uh, well, I'm always,
I say this to everybody, even the

people in Lisbon, if it's big, um, or
any other country we do stuff in, you

start to look at the world, right?

Mm.

If you could, like our conference.

Great.

There's another one coming up in
a few months, you know, and then

after that there's another one.

Go outside your comfort zone.

Take a look at what other
people are building.

And, and let's just really explore it.

'cause that's another thing I see a
lot of founders, you know, they're in

Vancouver, their heads are in Vancouver
and they're building something that

already exists in three other countries.

Right.

That's where we're gonna kill them
as soon as they try to go outside.

Mm.

So like you should be, have
your head up and take a look.

And the best way to do that is get
on a plane, get to a conference.

Doesn't have to be Web Summit,
but go out there and see what

other people are building.

Start networking people.

That's another thing about this
event that I think is fantastic.

We don't mind to cannibalize the stage
audience to make sure they're outside

or in the hallway meeting each other.

Connecting.

That's the best.

This is the main point of Web Summit that
a lot of conferences don't believe in.

Mm.

They think that, oh, put some famous
people on stage and I've done my job.

That is the least important
thing, to be honest.

is this public?

Yeah.

Okay.

Anyways, you know, the speakers know
they're there to send a message out

to people, but it's also about the
attendees having a great experience,

and that's what Patty always tells us.

Make sure that the attendees have a
great experience because they are gonna

come back next year and they're gonna
bring a couple friends with them, right?

Or they're gonna recommend it.

Some people, right?

You always remember the people you met.

Like, I'll remember meeting you guys
more than I'll remember watching a talk.

You know, with the next AI thing,
which will probably be outta

date by this time next year.

Right.

But you guys will still be doing
this and you guys are gonna be a

network for me going forward, right?

Edwin: amazing.

Casey, it's been an absolute pleasure.

thank you for joining us on the
Business Leadership Podcast.

Great.

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